
Introduction
The father of my grandfather Cornelius Curley was called Thomas Curley, a polisher of brass (in 1904 on his marriage certificate to Mary Driscoll) and bicycles (in 1909 on birth certificate of his daughter Doris Mary). Information from relatives had told me that Thomas Curley's parents were called Thomas Curley and Jane Hennigan, who both came from Birmingham. The family tree above has been constructed from this family information. However, actually confirming the family tree in the records has not been easy or successful just yet.
Searching for Thomas Curley's parents in the records
a) The marriage record of Thomas Curley jnr

b) Finding a record to the marriage of the parents of Thomas Curley
One of the first things I tried to do was to find the marriage of Thomas Curley and Jane Hennigan, as these were the names I was given for Cornelius Curley's grandparents. It took me a long time for two reasons. The main reason was because I was searching for the marriage up to 1884 (as Thomas Curley jnr was married aged 20 in 1904, giving him a birthdate of 1884). The other reason was because foolishly I did not anticipate the number of ways in which one could spell Hennigan. I have finally found what I think is the GRO index to their marriage.
Thomas Curley & Jane Hanigan Birmingham 6d 237 March 1888
The only problem here is that the marriage appears to be registered four years after the birth of Thomas Curley. There could be a few reasons for this including: 1) The marriage was late in being registered, which seems unlikely, 2) Jane was not the first wife of Thomas, and Thomas jnr may be the son of a different wife. I have not yet got the marriage certificate, but I'm hoping that it may clear up these questions. Also, I have still not had chance to visit the Roman Catholic records in Birmingham. They would likely provide many answers.
A third possibility is that Thomas and Jane lived together but did not marry for some time. This would seem to be very unusual in Roman Catholic families, but it is not entirely impossible, especially as I have been told by relatives that Jane may have had an eldest son, Bernard Hennigan, out of wedlock prior to her marriage to Thomas Curley. (update here).
c) Finding a birth record for Thomas Curley jnr
Finding the birth certificate of Thomas Curley jnr (born c1884) would also give information about the mother and father of Thomas. However, I have yet to find anywhere in the GRO index a reference to the birth of a Thomas Curley in Birmingham (or thereabouts) in the 1880s. A family member told me that they thought that Thomas Curley was born on 23rd April 1887, but until I find the birth record in either the GRO or Roman Catholic Church Records, then there is no way to be sure.
d) Any assistance from the census?
From the marriage certificate of Thomas Curley we know that he was born in about 1884 and that his father was called Thomas Curley. We also know that they were living at 3 Holiday Street and that both Thomas' worked as polishers. Searching the 1891 and the 1901 censuses, the picture becomes even murkier.


Overall, the census has proved to be very confusing and has not provided any concrete evidence. I am still trying to put this information together and to think of new leads (any suggestions welcome). I think it is important for me to get the marriage certificate of Thomas Curley and Jane Hennigan in 1888. It would also be good for me to get hold of the baptismal, marriage and death records in the Birmingham Roman Catholic Churches, but I've not had the time for this yet.
e) Any other solutions?
Another solution may be to try and follow some of the extra lines. For instance, following the Hennigans - such as Bernard Hennigan (the supposed illegitimate son of Jane) or John Hennigan, the witness at the marriage of Thomas Curley and Jane Hennigan. I'll talk more about these in later posts - see here for example.
4 comments:
hi my name is chris lane (formerly lawrence) I am the youngest grandaughter of the late Thomas Curley married to my Grandmother Mary Curley (Driscoll) I have been reading the family history. I have asked my older siblings to look through paperwork to confirm our Grandfathers date of birth. Our Mother Doris Lawrence formerly Curley informed us that our Grandather married our Grandmother when he was only 19 years old. The date of marriage was December 1904 Our grandfater would have been 19 in the previous April so I calculate this to be a DOB of 23/4/1885. Our Grandfather was older than Our Grandmother. Our Grandfather spent his latter years living in a prefabricated bungalow , accomodation that was built as temporary emergency accomodation after the war. This accomodation was within walking distance to where I was living at home with my parents.
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Really enjoyed reading and looking at photographs on you site. There are so few Photgraphs of our Grandparents as they were not in the fortunate position of owning a camera in those days.
Hi Christine
Thanks for getting in touch and passing along all that information. I'd love to keep in touch - my email is jamescurley77 AT yahoo DOT co DOT uk best wishes, James
Hi, my name is Diane Hardy (formerly Curley) my father is David Curley son of John and Win Curley. This site is facinating, I can remember in the early 1980's going to a party and meeting all of the Curley's and loads of cousins. Hello to all of the family out there xx
hi diane
thanks for getting in touch. i'm afraid i've been very busy recently and now live overseas so haven't had much time to do active research into the family.
i'm glad you liked what i've found so far!
thanks
james
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